Today’s episode is all content from our recent live event in Chicago. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the rapid shift in public opinion about immigration—and it’s not just among Republicans. Why is support for immigration down dramatically among Democrats and independents too? Then Charlie Dates, the pastor of Progressive Baptist Church and Salem Baptist Church in Chicago, joins the show to talk about the widening divide between the black church and white evangelicalism, why he’s tired of talking about white evangelicals, and where he sees hope for the future of the church in the U.S. And Holy Post producer, Mike Stralow, challenges the hosts to a quiz show decathlon. Plus, Al Pacino says there’s no afterlife, and scientists discover strategically constipated tadpoles.
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0:00 - Intro
1:50 - Show Starts
2:23 - Theme Song
4:14 - Al Pacino Didn’t Go to Heaven
8:36 - News of the Butt: Strategically Constipated Tadpoles
15:42 - Public Opinion Shift on Immigration
19:35 - Thermostatic Public Opinion
24:00 - How the Church Can Approach Division
34:23 - Sponsor - The National Association of Evangelicals - Listen to the Difficult to explore how Christians can become peacemakers. Go to https://www.nae.org/introduction-difficult-conversations-podcast-series/ to check it out!
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36:43 - Interview with Charlie Dates
39:47 - The Black Church and Political Polarization
46:50 - Why Talk Specifically About “The Black Church” Rather Than Just “The Church?”
55:20 - Cynicism and White Naivete
1:04:50 - Pastors Excluded from Activism
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1:14:58 - What Would 2024 Skye and Phil Tell 2012 Skye and Phil?
1:19:13 - What Would 2024 Kaitlyn and Charlie Tell 2012 Kaitlyn and Charlie?
1:34:26 - End Credits
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Good episode, but it was very dark in terms of state of the White Evangelical church.
Let's face it, the Evangelical Industrial Complex is corrupt.
Also I hear what Dr. Dates is talking about. However, Donald Trump has been talking like a fascist for the past months and John Kelly, Trump's former Chief of Staff comes out and says yes Trump is a fascist. So in two weeks 80% of US White Evangelicals will be voting for a fascist.
Dr.Dates concerns are correct, but the problem in the White Evangelical church is much much deeper than mentioned..........
I don't know if it was because I listened while I was hungry or what, but I experienced the full spectrum of emotion during this episode. Too many moments to pick just one where I laughed out loud. I so appreciated Dr. Charlie Dates coming as his full self and with a word of challenge. As a white evangelical I felt myself bristle, but appreciated the direct challenge. Then when Kaitlyn shared what she would say to her younger self about how men responded to her I teared up. Thank you all!