After working for the Department of Homeland Security, and more than twenty years as a counterterrorism expert, Elizabeth Neumann says the greatest threat to the U.S. is no longer international Islamic terrorism but domestic Christian extremists. She discusses her new book, “Kingdom of Rage,” with Skye and how conspiracy theories and violent political ideologies have infiltrated American evangelicalism. Also this week, the Southern Baptists debate which is the greater threat to the faith—the Nicene Creed or female pastors. And new data says drinking and smoking has plummeted among teenagers. Should we thank churches or smartphones?
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0:00 - Intro
1:22 - Show Starts
4:15 - Theme Song
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6:49 - Why Phil Was Expelled from Bible School (It’s Less Scandalous Than You Think!)
9:42 - The Annual SBC Meeting and Women Preaching, the Law Amendment
13:48 - Conservative SBC and Why Churches Split
19:26 - Motivations Behind Doctrine Changes matter
31:38 - Drinking, Smoking, and Chewing Tobacco Uncommon Amongst Gen Z
37:18 - Drinking’s Down, Depression’s Up
42:07 - The Church Community Stands Out in an Age of Loneliness
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48:51 - Interview
54:04 - From Focusing on International Threats to Domestic Threats
58:13 - The Mainstreaming of Replacement Theory
1:04:54 - How Neumann Avoided Radicalization
1:09:40 - The Needs That Make People Susceptible to Radicalization
1:18:18 - The Scale That Makes Domestic Radicalization a Huge Threat
1:25:04 - End Credits
Links Mentioned in the News Segment:
The SBC’s Proposed Law Amendment
Does Going to Church Keep High Schoolers from Drinking and Smoking?
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Kingdom of Rage: The Rise of Christian Extremism and the Path Back to Peace: https://a.co/d/64NM0N6
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As a Southern Baptist, I have to say that coming from 3 non-Southern Baptists, you guys did a very good job at describing what the big issues were at the 2024 Southern Baptist Convention to other non-Southern Baptists. I actually laughed out loud several times at the humor of Skye Jethani & Phil Vischer on their take at some of the sheenanigans.
Dear Phil,
I was in that chapel service when you and Mike N. were awarded that alumni award. One of the few chapels I remember from my time at that Bible college!
The Holy Post Group had a great conversation concerning SBC’s upcoming vote for adoption of referring to women as “pastors.”
The “cherry picking” of verses vs. finding the “overall spirit of the passages” conversation was especially illuminating. They fell short, though, in recognizing that this debate on finding biblically based truth can be found not just in women’s roles, but in the acceptance of LGBTQ people.
I was thankful for the interview with Elizabeth Neumann (including the surprisingly simple and relevant definition of domestic terrorism), and yet I'm disheartened. I feel compelled to discuss such topics with people in my community, church and household, however I feel incapable of doing so in a loving way that doesn't come across as insulting. It doesn't help that the term "domestic terrorist" now has layers of culture-war baggage. When your loved ones who freely (albeit sometimes flippantly) admits "sometimes I want to identify as an assassin" or "I would be okay is someone steps up and ends (insert politician's name)" in a discussion of politics, what words would you use to lovingly call out the ungodly spirit in them)??
Re: slavery, the discussion included the comment that there is no explicit condemnation of slavery in Scripture. I am honestly confused why the golden rule doesn't suffice? Can any of us argue in good faith that "do unto others" permits robbing another of their freedom? I think the Bible is very clear on this point--but maybe I am missing something?