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553 Revival Tourism & Christ vs Christians with Beth Moore


She’s finally here! Bible teacher and author Beth Moore joins Kaitlyn Schiess to discuss her new memoir, her calling, and how she found the courage to speak out against the political idolatry of evangelical leaders in 2016. Moore says she learned how to put her faith in Christ himself rather than in Christian people. Also this week, we discuss the revival at Asbury University that’s attracted 20,000 people to a small town in Kentucky—including a lot of Christian celebrities. Is it a genuine movement of God’s Spirit, or a product of social media spin? Could it be both? Plus, a Christian professor discovers why “Florida is where woke goes to die,” evangelicals rejected Jimmy Carter for being too nice, and the Grinch who stole Easter.


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0:45 Intro


3:35 - Stolen eggs


8:35 - Professor in trouble


25:47 - Asbury revival


38:51 - Jimmy Carter in hospice


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51:50 - Interview Intro


53:15 - Beth Moore

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59:41 - Calling


1:08:30 - Risking credibility


1:15:00 - Back to 2016


1:25:19- End Credits


Links mentioned in news segment:

Thief Steals Nearly 200,000 Cadbury Creme Eggs in Britain - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/15/world/europe/cadbury-creme-eggs-theft.html


English professor in Florida says university is reviewing his employment following complaint over racial justice unit - https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/18/us/palm-beach-atlantic-university-professor-racial-justice-unit/index.html



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10 Comments


dnorz
dnorz
Mar 16, 2023

Well, Palm Beach Atlantic ended up firing Professor Samuel Joeckel...


https://jemartisby.substack.com/p/they-fired-him

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sbsalzer
sbsalzer
Feb 25, 2023

Now that I have read All My Knotted-up Life, a second listen of the interview is in order. If you haven't read Beth's book, you are missing out.

And I didn't think the discussion about Asbury was cynical.

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Bill Wood
Feb 24, 2023

Thank you for the wonderful interview with Beth Moore. As she talked about women's ministry I heard echoes of my own mother (who is now with Jesus) in her ministry in her local church. Thank you for that, and the rest of the interview as well. I have to share this with several women in my life.


This is a perfect example that gets my vote for the separation into 2 episodes. It is much easier to share the interview with people who don't listen regularly, and may not be interested in the news portion, if they are separated.

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DFH
DFH
Feb 23, 2023

On the 'woke' ideology, isn't the etymology implying one is suddenly aware of the true reasons disparities persist? The ideology is not unique in recognizing disparities or by acknowledging the past injustices which led to bad outcomes. Rather, wokeness is unique in emphasizing current and systemic discrimination as the reason disparities persist. It downplays the role of personal agency and decision making. Many reasonable people would consider these philosophies contrary to Christian teaching. But far more concerning is that woke philosophy inevitably leads to highly damaging public policy. If the cause of crime is racism and poverty, then why punish the wrongdoer? Larry Krasner's tenure as Philadelphia DA is a good example of woke policies, and the objective resu…

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Kra789
Feb 25, 2023
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I think that the basic premise of systemic racism is that systems have caused the disparities we are seeing. This sort of “systems thinking” is also prevalent in business and healthcare: it recognizes that problems occur not just as the result of individuals screwing up but because systems aren’t working together. So, for example, someone doesn’t take their diabetes medicine. We could ascribe this fault to the person alone. But, what if the insurance company didn’t pay for the medicine because it wasn’t on the insurance company’s formulary? What if that person didn’t have transportation to the pharmacy to pick up the medicine? What if the nearest pharmacy was 30 miles away? These systems (insurance company, clinic, pharmacy, transportation, community)…

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arwenaya
Feb 23, 2023

I resonate with many of your frustrations with evangelicalism, but I've been kind of thrown by just how cynical the last few episodes have been.


I listened to this episode and came away thinking, huh, maybe there's a revival at Asbury.


Then I listened to an atheist reporter on Bari Weiss's Honestly podcast covering the same thing and found myself literally on my knees in tears in the middle of my kids' bedroom praying for renewal and revival. I certainly skew towards over-intellectualizing things whenever possible, so this was... an unusual experience for me. But I mention it to you, since I feel like it highlights how deeply and perniciously cynicism is pervading your overall dynamic right now. (And let…

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Skye Jethani
Skye Jethani
Feb 23, 2023
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Can I ask what you found cynical about our discussion of Asbury's revival. None of us questioned the authenticity of what was occurring there. We simply questioned why so many celebrity Christians were flocking there and posting selfies from the campus. We suggested a different response was probably better. In fact, it sounds like you did exactly what I advocated for. Rather than driving to Kentucky to try to get in on the revival action there, we ought to recognize God and his Spirit is just as present with us. And we ought to seek him right where we are. You did that, and I think it's a wonderful, faithful, and mature response.

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